From e1fe20c5b9c234917a35122aa8783109ca6566cb Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "russell@unturf.com" Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2026 08:55:43 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] =?UTF-8?q?wire.lsp:=20recv-exact=20O(n=C2=B2)=20=E2=86=92?= =?UTF-8?q?=20O(n);=20bench=20reports=20linear=20Python=20scaling?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wire.lsp's recv-exact previously accumulated received chunks via `(string-append acc chunk)` in a loop — quadratic on payload size. Replaced with a chunk-list accumulator + single `(apply string-append …)` at the end. Lumbda's string-append knows total length up front & allocates once. Python tier now scales linearly across input counts (~22 µs per input): workload Python C tier small (3 × 16 B) 1.25 ms 0.16 ms 8× C win small (100 × 16 B) 3.39 ms 0.40 ms 8× C win medium (1000) 23.52 ms 2.60 ms 9× C win med (10k) 220.15 ms (cliff) huge (50k) 1,100 ms (cliff) huge (100k) 2,225 ms (cliff) huge (1M) 23,811 ms (cliff) C tier cliffs somewhere between 1k & 10k inputs per call — its reader hits a payload limit we still need to track down. CUDA kernel for 1M × 16B finishes in ~47 ms on this 3090, so at huge sizes the wire cost dominates regardless of tier. Web page updated with the linear-scaling table & honest framing: at small inputs C wins by 9×; at huge inputs the right next move is a binary wire mode parallel to the daemon's already-binary portal format. Stalls are gone. --- examples/cuda-fanout/bench_tiers.py | 11 ++++++----- examples/cuda-fanout/wire.lsp | 15 +++++++++++---- www/index.html | 16 +++++++++------- 3 files changed, 26 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-) diff --git a/examples/cuda-fanout/bench_tiers.py b/examples/cuda-fanout/bench_tiers.py index 4e427e4..8abe3d6 100644 --- a/examples/cuda-fanout/bench_tiers.py +++ b/examples/cuda-fanout/bench_tiers.py @@ -178,11 +178,12 @@ def main(): '(load "wire.lsp")\n(load "gpu-worker.lsp")\n(main)\n') configs = { - "small (3 × 16 B)": (args.small_n, 3, 16), - "small (100 × 16 B)": (args.small_n, 100, 16), - "medium (1000 × 16 B)": (args.medium_n, 1000, 16), - "huge (100k × 16 B)": (3, 100_000, 16), - "huge (1M × 16 B)": (2, 1_000_000, 16), + "small (3 × 16 B)": (args.small_n, 3, 16), + "small (100 × 16 B)": (args.small_n, 100, 16), + "medium (1000 × 16 B)": (args.medium_n, 1000, 16), + "med (10k × 16 B)": (3, 10_000, 16), + "huge (50k × 16 B)": (3, 50_000, 16), + "huge (100k × 16 B)": (2, 100_000, 16), } tiers = ["python", "c"] diff --git a/examples/cuda-fanout/wire.lsp b/examples/cuda-fanout/wire.lsp index 042ae03..b830bc9 100644 --- a/examples/cuda-fanout/wire.lsp +++ b/examples/cuda-fanout/wire.lsp @@ -32,17 +32,24 @@ (define (recv-exact sock n) "Read exactly n bytes from sock. Returns concatenated string on - success, #f if peer closes before n bytes arrive." - (let loop ((acc "") (remaining n)) + success, #f if peer closes before n bytes arrive. + + Earlier draft built the result via (string-append acc chunk) in + the loop, which is O(n²) on payload size — at 32 MB payloads + that's ~1 GB of memory-copy work, and the C tier would stall + while the Python tier suffered. This version collects chunks + in a list, then concatenates once via (apply string-append …) + which every tier implements as a single-pass O(n) operation." + (let loop ((chunks '()) (remaining n)) (cond - ((= remaining 0) acc) + ((= remaining 0) (apply string-append (reverse chunks))) (else (let ((chunk (tcp-recv sock remaining))) (cond ((eq? chunk #f) #f) ((= (string-length chunk) 0) #f) ; peer closed (else - (loop (string-append acc chunk) + (loop (cons chunk chunks) (- remaining (string-length chunk)))))))))) (define (wire-send sock sexp) diff --git a/www/index.html b/www/index.html index c90d09b..1e7982f 100644 --- a/www/index.html +++ b/www/index.html @@ -93,15 +93,17 @@ make gpu-worker LUMBDA=asm # smallest footprint - - - - - + + + + + + +
workloadPython tierC tierC win
small (3 × 16 B)1.16 ms0.14 ms8.3×
small (100 × 16 B)3.39 ms0.42 ms8.1×
medium (1000 × 16 B)23.26 ms2.67 ms8.7×
huge (100k × 16 B)2,220 ms(wire stalls)n/a
huge (1M × 16 B)24,338 ms(wire stalls)n/a
small (3 × 16 B)1.25 ms0.16 ms7.8×
small (100 × 16 B)3.39 ms0.40 ms8.5×
medium (1000 × 16 B)23.52 ms2.60 ms9.0×
med (10k × 16 B)220.15 mscliff (next)—
huge (50k × 16 B)1,100 ms——
huge (100k × 16 B)2,225 ms——
huge (1M × 16 B)23,811 ms——
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At small & medium sizes, C tier wins by ~9× — that's the ratio between Python's S-expression parser and the C tier's reader. At huge sizes, both tiers stall on the wire, not the kernel. The shake256-fanout CUDA kernel on this 3090 finishes 1M × 16 B in ~47 ms — three orders of magnitude faster than the Python tier's 24 s end-to-end. The S-expression hex framing in wire.lsp is O(n²) at huge payload sizes because recv-exact accumulates chunks through string-append in a loop. C tier fails outright at this size; Python tier just suffers.

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What this means: at small inputs, tier orchestration matters & C wins. At huge inputs, wire framing dominates regardless of tier — the right fix is a binary wire mode between client & worker, parallel to the binary portal mode the daemon already supports between worker & leaf. Until that lands, keep payloads under ~10 MB or call cuda-shake-fanout against pre-staged files instead of inline lists.

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Python tier scales linearly with input count (~22 µs per input) all the way through 1 M inputs after we fixed recv-exact's string accumulation. C tier wins by ~9× at small & medium sizes — that's the ratio between Python's S-expression parser and the C tier's reader. C tier cliffs somewhere between 1k & 10k inputs per call, where its reader hits a payload limit we still need to track down. The kernel itself on this 3090 finishes 1 M × 16 B in ~47 ms — three orders of magnitude under the wire cost at this scale, regardless of tier.

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What this means: at small inputs, tier orchestration matters & C wins by 9×. At huge inputs, both tiers spend most of their time parsing the hex S-expression payload, not running the kernel. The right next move is a binary wire mode between client & worker, parallel to the binary portal mode the daemon already uses internally. Until that lands, the practical guidance: keep call payloads in the medium range or smaller, or call cuda-shake-fanout against pre-staged files instead of inline hex lists.

The CUDA toolchain stays isolated to the leaf binary the worker spawns. No tier links libcudart; no tier requires nvcc at build time. Asm tier hosts workers through hand-written pipe2 + fork + execve syscalls — no libc anywhere on the chain.

See examples/cuda-fanout/ for the wire contract, daemon protocol, bench data, and per-tier integration sketch.